gmsbv
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| Posted: 10/16/2014, 9:08 AM |
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Hi,
I have been using CodeCharge 2.0 in 2000 / 2003 and it was a great and impressive tool !
- R:Base + CodeCharge - www.rwebsuite.com
Now there is CodeCharge Studio. Who is still using it ?
Is a Windows Development Tool in 2014 still the way to go or is it now more SaaS / PaaS with for example:
- Mendix - www.mendix.com
- Caspio - www.caspio.com
- Knack - www.knackhq.com
- ParaSQL - www.parasql.com
I look forward to your feedback and your ideas and or other tools.
Best regards,
Marco
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DataDoIT
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| Posted: 10/17/2014, 9:24 AM |
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Behind every SaaS there is a development environment. It could be .Net,
J2EE, Eclipse, or even plain ole vi. Or, it could be CodeCharge Studio.
Behind each of those sites you list is going to be one of the above.
Then they create and sell Apps as a Service from those.
If you need full granular control of your application (what happens when
where why and how) along with business logic and reporting, then you
need to either build your own library from scratch in something like PHP
or Java, or use an IDE like CodeCharge Studio or .Net.
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 10/17/2014, 11:58 AM |
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I mentioned SaaS but I have to be more specific: PaaS and with a product like for example Mendix no other tool is needed anymore to make great enterprise apps. Maybe you should go for the free community edition and connect with your own database and see if you are more productive: www.mendix.com/blog/mendix-vs-code-deliver-best-app-fastest
But as mentioned in this article there will be always a place for scripting jobs: www.infoworld.com/article/2611463/development-environments/in-the-cloud--code-doesn-t-need-developers.html
I look forward to your ideas and concepts.
Beste regards,
Marco
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 10/19/2014, 11:40 AM |
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After reading this article: www.mendix.com/blog/mendix-vs-code-deliver-best-app-fastest I tried to make the app in ParaSQL and count in minutes the end result.
I was able to make the app (table with columns) and in the WYSIWYG Editor the layout of the app working in the cloud in 5 minutes:
ParaSQL WYSIWYG Layout Editor:
http://www.gmsbv.eu/img/paraSQL_1.png
ParaSQL Tables Editor:
http://www.gmsbv.eu/img/paraSQL_2.png
MyOwn BMI App:
http://www.gmsbv.eu/img/paraSQL_3.png
Any interested people to make this app in CodeCharge ?
Best regards,
Marco
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DataDoIT
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| Posted: 10/20/2014, 12:23 PM |
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Again you're missing the point of CCS (or .Net, J2EE, etc.). You're
attempting to compare apples to oranges.
Yes you can create that little sample in "8 minutes" in CodeCharge.
Easy breezy, big deal. However, what you're not going to do in a
"cloud-based" IDE are the underlying permissions sets, granular
accessibility of each and every control in an application.
Ex: Set a row's background color to red for any records that belong to a
user grouping of admins where a field in one of the underlying results
data set (not the displayed field) is of a certain value.
Ex: Create an editable grid where when the value of a field changes do a
remote API post/response and autofill all other fields on that row with
the response from that web service.
Think of it like this.... If you had, say perhaps, 1000 hours of spare
time, a good CodeCharge Studio programmer could develop at least the
'bones' of what Mendex provides then sell that AaaS offering. If I
recall, a coupla folks on this list have done similar (dynamic or custom
fields grids and forms). Send me $60k USD 30 up front 30 on delivery
and I'll build a Mendex in 3 months in CodeCharge Studio. :)
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JustDoIT
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| Posted: 10/22/2014, 6:41 AM |
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Marco, great to see you were able to reproduce the simple example with the same image as well! :) Still 5>2
DataDoIt, Mendix does manage the security down to the granular level for each and every part of the application - you can check out another other article which covers best practices with security: http://www.mendix.com/blog/best-practices-for-managing-...level-security/
And if you can build Mendix in 3months then you should definitely join our team, we are always looking for smart people: http://www.mendix.com/company/join-our-team/.
I'd highly encourage both of you to check it out and would love to hear your thoughts/feedback: http://www.mendix.com/try-now/
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 10/22/2014, 1:19 PM |
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JustDoIT, thank you for your reply.
It was my first App in ParaSQL based on 1 day trial experience. After 3 days I am now more experienced and today I was able to make from scratch without any code the BMI app within 2 minutes !
Result on iPad:
http://gmsbv.eu/img/paraSQL_BMI.png
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I am from Holland and I am following all news about Mendix and downloaded yesterday the great new Mendix 5.1 and tried to make the BMI app, but it ended with an error. Do you have for me the Mendix project file so i can test where and why I do get the error.
Thank you / Alvast bedankt !
Best regards,
Marco
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JustDoIT
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| Posted: 10/22/2014, 7:56 PM |
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Hi Marco,
That's great that you are following the news. Mendix was founded right in the Netherlands!
For project sharing, did you sign up for Mendix? What's the email address you used, I can invite you to the project or send you the project file.
Also, if you search your error through the forum https://mxforum.mendix.com/ or even ask the question there would be helpful!
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MichaelMcDonald
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| Posted: 10/23/2014, 12:08 AM |
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How easy it is in this Mendix thing to script the movement of an array between database tables with a do while scenario ?
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JustDoIT
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| Posted: 10/27/2014, 6:03 AM |
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Super easy! Just use the microflow activities! I'd highly encourage you to check it out and look at the Get Started videos.
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MichaelMcDonald
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| Posted: 10/27/2014, 2:00 PM |
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Would it be very professional of me to get on their forum and make Codecharge sound 100% better than their product by having an answer for every product feature comparison ?
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 3:54 AM |
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Hi,
I started this Blog Message to see if CodeCharge is still be used and who is using it. Great to see that the existing users are still the very experienced users with own code and frameworks in or around CodeCharge.
Best regards,
Marco
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Waspman
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 3:56 AM |
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I've been using CCS for a long time and I can do just about anything. I also know that if I don't know how to do something I will find a way to do it.
Can these tools export build just the data manipulation elements and let me wrap a framework like Foundation or Bootstrap around it?
Can they allow me to add custom php code or Javascript?
Can they easily setup multi-level access?
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Waspman
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 5:54 AM |
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Just downloaded the Mendix thing and it looks like you have to design desktop and phone pages separately. Backward step for me I'm afraid, I'll stick my responsive Foundation/CCS approach.
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JustDoIT
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 12:21 PM |
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Waspman,
1. Yes, you can use bootstrap with Mendix http://www.mendix.com/blog/utilizing-bootstrap-mendix/ - You need to create the foundation ie domain model though to show dynamic data and create your own app
2. Yes, you can create create your own customized widgets with javascript and extend existing functionalities
3. Yes - security is very granular http://www.mendix.com/blog/best-practices-for-managing-...level-security/
MichaelMcDonald, would love to see a comparison, too bad CodeCharge doesn't offer a free version
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Waspman
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 1:48 PM |
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Quote JustDoIT:
Sorry man I didn't get that far. Have Yes stopped offering a trial version?
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Waspman
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| Posted: 10/28/2014, 1:50 PM |
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Just checked and you can still get a 20 day evaluation, hope this helps clarify things:)
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 11/03/2014, 3:50 AM |
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@Waspman: I was also thinking it would be great to have 1 responsive template for all devices like: desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, car.
But after some discussions and samples this might be ok for content websites. But if you are using webbased DB solutions their is a difference between the use on a desktop or laptop and the use on a Mobile where you would like to see and use a touch UI. Also for use in a car the UI should be as easy as possible.
Best regards,
Marco
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MichaelMcDonald
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| Posted: 11/03/2014, 8:09 PM |
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Before the whole world goes responsive it would be interesting to see how much of the world is still pre I.E. 8
(can get bootstrap and responsive to work on it all be it limited the page layout does render correctly).
The reason i bring this to your attention is company called Brookfield Multiplex whose Australian asset management put a Citrix Metaframe system in place back in 2000 with desktop profiles running I.E.6. They are a very large player here with 1000's of government and commercial contracts and remote sites using metaframe client.
https://www.modern.ie/en-us/ie6countdown
theie7countdown.com/
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gerrit
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| Posted: 11/04/2014, 1:58 AM |
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Hi,
I take à look at mendix if it is posible that I can use my cms to make à mobile app, I use my email info at vision.to
Thanks / bedankt
I leave à message if its works fine
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 11/04/2014, 2:15 AM |
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Hi,
Offective updated their ERP in Cloud last weekend and is now available with a new fresh look and feel: http://www.offective.nl/nieuwsbericht/offectve-ux/
I think it is amazing if you see the endresult made with Mendix 5 !
Some info:
http://www.offective.nl/modules
Desktop/Laptop Access for Office Work:
https://mijn.offective.nl/login.html?update202
Mobile Access for Hours / Projects on Mobile:
https://mijn.offective.nl/index-mobile.html
Best regards,
Marco
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Waspman
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| Posted: 11/04/2014, 3:03 AM |
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Quote gmsbv:
@Waspman: I was also thinking it would be great to have 1 responsive template for all devices like: desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, car.
But after some discussions and samples this might be ok for content websites. But if you are using webbased DB solutions their is a difference between the use on a desktop or laptop and the use on a Mobile where you would like to see and use a touch UI. Also for use in a car the UI should be as easy as possible.
Best regards,
Marco
You're right gmsby.
I have changed the way I develop db apps to be simple and uncluttered in order to work across all devices (mobile first approach). I like it and my clients do too.
I think of it as a responsive content approach as well as layout. Things that aren't needed are removed for smaller screens or swapped for a more appropriate presentation.
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 11/05/2014, 12:47 AM |
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Hi,
Yesterday I was notified about a new RAD Platform: Ebase Xi:
http://www.ebasetech.com
Any experience ?
Regards,
Marco
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 11/05/2014, 10:47 AM |
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Independent Benchmark Study: Mendix Delivers 6 Times Higher App Development Productivity
Article:
http://www.mendix.com/press/mendix-delivers-6-times-hig...ity/#more-26559
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Waspman
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| Posted: 11/05/2014, 3:43 PM |
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Quote gmsbv:
6 times higher than what?
You could make the same claims about CCS.
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Waspman
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| Posted: 11/05/2014, 3:47 PM |
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oops, just found it...
"than projects built in a traditional environment"
There must be loads of RAD tools that can say this sort of stuff.
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| Posted: 11/05/2014, 4:23 PM |
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6 times faster than coding in Notepad or VI? maybe
for sure they are not comparing to CCS.
I don't think you will find any RAD tool like CCS for now
ASP, PHP, NET,etc etc
(problem is Support) and in our case we hardly need support
also the best tool normaly is the one you know better
i will stay with CCS for a while!
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gmsbv
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| Posted: 11/06/2014, 1:39 AM |
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Great to see new releases in the SaaS / PaaS world.
As of today Caspio Bridge 8.4 is now available:
http://blog.caspio.com/caspio-news/announcing-caspio-bridge-8-4/
Best regards,
Marco
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Waspman
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| Posted: 11/06/2014, 10:39 AM |
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Quote gmsbv:
Cricky it looks like Codecharge V1 
I tried Caspio actually, I didn't like, it's very restrictive.
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MichaelMcDonald
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| Posted: 11/06/2014, 1:48 PM |
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I actually wonder if some of the things ppl write on this forum with respect to the supposed ease of competitors products is an attempt at compensating for lack of application in developing deep skills through codecharge by referencing how much easier it would be ..... if life .... if only .... CCS just looks too dang hard !
I have been writing PHP for 8 years and can unequivocally state (I took that line from a politician on the news) that it takes a great deal of focus and time to learn anything worthwhile in life and the world always throws up "quick fixes" for anyone seeking them.
One more thing, I have tried to be careful to express here real world observations in as contemporary politically correct terminology as possible. However, just as in life, not everything can be perceived without offense so if anyone finds themself taking offense at what I say or how hard what I say might seem to take then think about how that might be your general approach to life and learning new technologies and might be entirely indicative of your response to things that take time because they are worthwhile.
On closing, I must give credit to the guys and girls who write the source code that reduces time by years and makes the possibilities of coding endless and all the opportunities that spring up down the track based on their backs that morph into simpler solutions for simpler people.
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