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Jan K. van Dalen
Posted: 12/04/2009, 6:59 AM

Is to know whats up @ Yes
BryantS

Posts: 10
Posted: 12/08/2009, 6:56 AM

I agree. And I am surprised it is so quiet on the subject around here...
Though I am sure Yes has gotten burned somewhere in the past, by continuing to be pretty mute, they have now crossed the line into using up existing customer goodwill. It is easy to worry that they might be only trying to get the most, before abdicating to Adobe Builder and MSFT Blend. Developing is not my business, so I rely on code generation to achieve what I otherwise would not. But if it looks like DOS in a GUI world, it is hardly worth it.
So yes, I too hope for some clarity for Christmas, otherwise I will have to learn how to do this stuff (in Blend) in the New Year.
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Vasiliy

Posts: 378
Posted: 12/10/2009, 10:02 PM

Same here.
Even though current main project is based on CCS VB.Net, I'm not sure if our next project will be based on CCS. Most likely my team will use MS VS.
Main reasons:
- unsuccessful VB.Net concept - project re-compilation even after minor changes;
- no future VB.Net support (InMotion is too unstable, just tried it again on a small project);
- unstable IDE;
- poor clarity with bugs resolution and future features and plans.
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datadoit
Posted: 12/11/2009, 7:25 AM

I think CCS could be launched into the stratosphere and become a
household name by ditching support for the languages that already have
well-honed development environments and focusing on the ones that don't
(ie: PHP and Java).

Trying to be everything for everyone never succeeds as a long term,
viable business model. Identify your strengths and expertise and stick
to them.

But that's just me ....
mrachow


Posts: 509
Posted: 12/12/2009, 12:50 AM

In the first years (starting with CC already) CCS was (for us) simply a great tool for developing web applications. I mean better than most others.

Later we were happily hanging on the different target languages. Having several applications in store sometimes customers wan't have PHP on their servers.

Of course with matured apps ths customs code parts were growing from 3% to 20% or 30%.
I'm looking at CCS as some kind of model driven development IDE.

So the core features while I'm still hanging on CCS are
- multiple target languages
- how native language is supported
- how SQL is supported (concatenating db table, customs SQL)

But I absolutely agree to a hard standing of CCS if one is developing for one target infrastructure.
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Jan K. van Dalen
Posted: 12/12/2009, 7:11 PM

Honestly, I will be content with knowing what is coming so that I can make
my decisions. Althouth we ask alot to Yes, it seems that they have their
own track on what they want to do (or not to do). Just tell us what is
coming and then we can decide if we want to keep using CCS.

The problem is that all this ranting will not make any difference as they
are not in the business of keeping their client informed.
damian

Posts: 838
Posted: 12/13/2009, 3:10 AM

what are you all so stresssed about?
yes continue to bring out both minor and major upgrades on a far faster time line than many bigger vendors...

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ckroon

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Posted: 12/14/2009, 1:48 PM

I think we all got used to a certain level of communication with Yes.. mainly through Peterr, and a regular interval of updates and fixes... then it just dried up.
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Posted: 12/31/2009, 3:00 PM

Hi All,

We couldn't do this before Christmas but just posted in our customer area couple screenshots showing what we are working on. We also ask that you do not post or discuss future product plans on the forums.

Happy New Year!

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JimmyCrackedCorn

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Posted: 12/31/2009, 3:29 PM

Peter,

Thanks for the preview. Looks interesting.

but PLEASE tell me there will be a standard menu and not the ribbon bar like Microsoft did with Office 2007?!? Their choice to remove the standard menu was a complete and total screwup as it cost tremendous productivity as everyone struggled to discover where all of the commands disappeared to. In our offices we tried it for less than a month before trashing it and reverting to a previous version.

PLEASE continue to offer the standard menu!!!!
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datadoit
Posted: 01/01/2010, 8:23 AM

Very Artisteer-like. What a koinkydink. I like it. A new decade
deserves a new look and modern feel.

JCC, if the ribbon is anything like Artisteer's, it can be minimized and
completely unobtrusive and refreshing to navigate. M$ should've
consulted with Yes before making Office 2007.

I just hope that "focus" can be maintained among the different views
(design view to code view to HTML view). I betcha I've lost a year of
my time I'll never get back scrolling through the views to get back from
whence I came. Split view would also be nice (design at top, code at
the bottom).
JimmyCrackedCorn

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Posted: 01/01/2010, 4:19 PM

Quote datadoit:
JCC, if the ribbon is anything like Artisteer's, it can be minimized and
completely unobtrusive and refreshing to navigate. M$ should've
consulted with Yes before making Office 2007.

I don't mind the ribbon being added. But removing the menu (like MS did) is NUTS! I'm hoping Yes left the menu in but I don't see it on those screenshots.

@peter, will you please confirm whether the standard menu will still be available or not?
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vandalen

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Posted: 01/04/2010, 3:38 PM

Peter ... can I talk to my Pillow?

Love screenshot 2 (Data Dict) :)
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MaFi

Posts: 48
Posted: 01/05/2010, 12:38 AM

Quote JimmyCrackedCorn:
but PLEASE tell me there will be a standard menu and not the ribbon bar like Microsoft did with Office 2007?!? Their choice to remove the standard menu was a complete and total screwup as it cost tremendous productivity as everyone struggled to discover where all of the commands disappeared to. In our offices we tried it for less than a month before trashing it and reverting to a previous version.

PLEASE continue to offer the standard menu!!!!

I totaly agree to JCC. Please offer the standard menu too.

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vandalen

Posts: 57
Posted: 01/05/2010, 6:58 AM

Hello Peter,

Out of curiosity .. will there be a way to convert from Styles to Designs?

I want to follow the letter of the law but is hard to see and not to ask questions :)
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datadoit
Posted: 01/05/2010, 7:04 AM

Artisteer.
vandalen

Posts: 57
Posted: 01/05/2010, 7:13 AM

Quote datadoit:
Artisteer.

DataDoIt ... I guess my question was more of ... will we be able to convert current applications that are using Styles to "Designs" (look picture)?

I have Artisteer and I know that they are planning to support it ... I'm just curious about upgrading current apps.
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vandalen

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Posted: 01/05/2010, 7:13 AM

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Mango_Lier


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Posted: 01/05/2010, 11:45 AM

Any chance of seeing the Builder & Forms & Edit ribbon tabs?
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ReneS

Posts: 225
Posted: 01/11/2010, 2:25 PM

ETA ? ;-)
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volghan

Posts: 17
Posted: 01/16/2010, 12:39 AM

I have worked about 2 years with codecharge from codecharge 2 to 4. Some suggestions:
1- New help and reference, please use the forums information to make new help and reference. Add some new custom codes.
2- Please update html code to new standards exp. using div instead of p in some cases can help. Pages are good in old IE or Firefox but not good in new versions.
3- New pages are in 1024 pixel width, so codecharge must be more compact to let us design the page in this size without need to use sidebar, i think using right click menu to design new grids or records instead of toolbox, properties box and ...
4- Add a check box to grid builder to hide a grid if no result returns.
5- Add a way to show random record in grids (i think it is better to add this item into order by list box in grid builder (.
6- Add a clear way to hide or show a grid or record, this option can help us to design a compact page with more record and grids that can show or hide each one. It will be good if design an ability to control records / grids by a database table.
7- Editable grid has a problem with file upload in asp.net c#.
8- Some times codecharge has some not expected errors, these errors can be solved by cleaning code and let codecharge to rewrite the codes, please solve this problem.
9- Directory builder is good idea but does not have a good template.
10- Captcha has some problems with c#.net, please add Captcha as an option to record builder.
11- Please improve codecharge about Ajax, make easier ways to use Ajax and other services.
12- Please improve using flash objects in codecharge like flash charts.
13- Design a way to delete updateable panel.
14- CKEditor instead of FCKEditor.
And More
But it is important to publish new help and new custom codes and new ways.
Thank you.

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volghan

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Posted: 01/16/2010, 12:40 AM

a way to mach two fields, like pasword field in a registration form

Multi select list box and some things that have in codecharge examples, please inculde these things to codecharge builder options.
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BryantS

Posts: 10
Posted: 02/09/2010, 8:21 AM

PeterR,
All I want for VALENTINE's (from Yes) is a new verstion of CCS.
When? An approximate timeline would not divulge competitive secrets....
Show us some love.
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ckroon

Posts: 868
Posted: 02/09/2010, 12:48 PM

All I want is a built in Export to excel function.
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Posted: 04/30/2010, 3:20 PM

I have been using CodeCharge for about a year, and I have loved it. But, since threads like these have been popping up, my boss and I have been questioning the life of CodeCharge. It forced us to explore other options. So, last week I downloaded Visual Web Developer 2010 Express, Microsoft's free IDE for web developers. Here are some of the features that I really liked:

1) It comes with several project templates for creating a data base driven web app, an MVC web app, a web service, and so on. There are still hundreds more available for download. Having a building block like that increased development speed big time.

2) They are very strict with file organization. I loved this because it makes each application predictable. When collaborating on a project with another team, I will know exactly where to look for whatever file I need.

3) It includes JQuery 1.4, and most project templates are AJAX enabled.

4) The toolbox has more controls than I have ever seen in any IDE, and it's drag 'n' drop just like CodeCharge

5) Each web app you make will have access to the very thorough .Net Membership schema in which users can register. It has security features (password encryption, forgot password, locks out users after several attemps, etc.). The user ID is GUID such that the same username can be used in several web apps and even linked with ActiveDirectory to use in your companyy's LAN. No more managing users yourself, I was blown away by that.

3) Debugging--I mean real debugging, like stopping execution and stepping through the program.

4) Linq2SQL, I don't even understand this fully, but from what I gather it adds a layer of abstraction between the user's view and the data, and this is the file you'd manipulate to control data flow.

I do apologize to YesSoftware for this post, but it's not like I let the cat out of the bag. Anyway, with competition like this, I wonder what's up YesSoftware, too.
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robertmann

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Posted: 04/30/2010, 5:49 PM

Isn't it interesting that ppl who wonder about company do not contact the company?
For me it's strange to ask other CCS users about things that Yes didnt announce. I don't know too much but know enough by asking right questions to the company. And some new features look important for me.

But you're right that if you can use VS then you should use it. You cannot expect Yes to to provide as many templates and features as Microsoft. I use VS for some projects and CCS for others, sometimes both. It's like using MS Access or Mysql in some cases and MSSQL server in others. People always look for other options than MS Access or Mysql but use each one when needed. "With competition like this, I wonder what's up Microsoft Access, too." And there are no new features in MS Access for 10 years because they are not needed :)
CCS doesnt need more features because VS already provides them and you should choose VS anyway for some projects. Its a benefit to grow and not depend on only one product all time.

I think that now CCS does everything I expect for some projects but new features also have very good potential and can extend it. But they cannot replace VS.
Also MS community shares much more info and sells tools, templates and components. But Yes community limits product because only CCT created something useful. Yes needs 20 such companies, users sharing CMSs they created, etc. Only users can extend CCS from tool to a full development system. Many new developers don't need tools but platforms that can learn and customize like Joomla. Now Joomla and DNN are probably better products than CCS or VS.
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Jan van Dalen
Posted: 04/30/2010, 9:46 PM

Hello robertmann,

I have contacted the company ... no information. They actually tell you
that they will release no information. It is their policy and they have
the right to that policy. It sucks :)

> Isn't it interesting that ppl who wonder about company do not contact
> the
> company?
> For me it's strange to ask other CCS users about things that Yes didnt
> announce. I don't know too much but know enough by asking right
> questions to the
> company. And some new features look important for me.
> But you're right that if you can use VS then you should use it. You
> cannot
> expect Yes to to provide as many templates and features as Microsoft.
> I use VS
> for some projects and CCS for others, sometimes both. It's like using
> MS Access
> or Mysql in some cases and MSSQL server in others. People always look
> for other
> options than MS Access or Mysql but use each one when needed. "With
> competition
> like this, I wonder what's up Microsoft Access, too." And there are
> no new
> features in MS Access for 10 years because they are not needed :)
> CCS doesnt need more features because VS already provides them and you
> should
> choose VS anyway for some projects. Its a benefit to grow and not
> depend on only
> one product all time.
> I think that now CCS does everything I expect for some projects but
> new
> features also have very good potential and can extend it. But they
> cannot
> replace VS.
> Also MS community shares much more info and sells tools, templates and
> components. But Yes community limits product because only CCT created
> something
> useful. Yes needs 20 such companies, users sharing CMSs they created,
> etc. Only
> users can extend CCS from tool to a full development system. Many new
> developers
> don't need tools but platforms that can learn and customize like
> Joomla. Now
> Joomla and DNN are probably better products than CCS or VS.
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> http://forums.codecharge.com/

JimmyCrackedCorn

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Posted: 04/30/2010, 9:51 PM

Quote robertmann:
Isn't it interesting that ppl who wonder about company do not contact the company?

we try to ask Yes and they won't answer. so we discuss it in threads like these. what a nice problem to have...your users like your product enough to want to buy an upgrade!

Quote :
CCS doesnt need more features because VS already provides them and you should choose VS anyway for some projects. Its a benefit to grow and not depend on only one product all time.

only applies if you are doing.NET which most of us are not!

Quote :
only CCT created something useful. Yes needs 20 such companies, users sharing CMSs they created, etc.

CCT did a very nice job but I'm guessing they could not make enough $$ to keep at it; they no longer respond to support requests.
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Jan van Dalen
Posted: 05/01/2010, 11:08 AM

Hello JimmyCrackedCorn,

Last time I sent for a Tech. Support question they answered promptly (about
10 hours).

>
Quote robertmann:
> Isn't it interesting that ppl who wonder about company do not contact
> the
> company?
>
> we try to ask Yes and they won't answer. so we discuss it in threads
> like
> these. what a nice problem to have...your users like your product
> enough to want
> to buy an upgrade!
>
Quote :
> CCS doesnt need more features because VS already provides them and you
> should
> choose VS anyway for some projects. Its a benefit to grow and not
> depend on only
> one product all time.
>
> only applies if you are doing.NET which most of us are not!
>
>
Quote :
> only CCT created something useful. Yes needs 20 such companies, users
> sharing
> CMSs they created, etc.
>
> CCT did a very nice job but I'm guessing they could not make enough $$
> to keep
> at it; they no longer respond to support requests.
> _________________
> Walter Kempees...you are dearly missed.
> ---------------------------------------
> Sent from YesSoftware forum
> http://forums.yessoftware.com/

JimmyCrackedCorn

Posts: 583
Posted: 05/01/2010, 1:07 PM

Quote Jan van Dalen:
Hello JimmyCrackedCorn,

Last time I sent for a Tech. Support question they answered promptly (about
10 hours).

when was that?

I sent a question to support@codechargetools.com on March 10 and a couple of followup emails but have not heard anything from them. I just figured they have stopped supporting CodeCharge Tools.

I noticed they are still listed in the Yes store like this,

CodeCharge Tools - Ultimate Bundle from CodeChargeTools.com
Free unlimited support and upgrades.

I bought the entire package sometime ago and they helped me a couple of times but I guess my "unlimited support" may have expired! :(
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